Dangerous Cult Similarities in the Mormon Church, Branch Davidians and Jonestown

10 Oct

David Koresh

Jim Jones

These cults have some very clear similarities that classify them, by definition, as a cult. One of these is: the group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity). Joseph Smith, in starting his Mormon Church of Latter Day Saints, proclaimed he was a direct descendant of Jesus and his followers can become gods themselves, replete with their own worlds to rule with a plethora of wives. He urged followers to take up arms against the U.S. militia and died as a “martyr”. Branch Davidian leader David Koresh proclaimed messiah status in 1990 when he changed his name from Timothy Howell and strongly favored polygamy for himself and also dealt in illegal firearms. People’s Temple cult leader James Jones proclaimed exalted status where members even signed over custody of their children to Jones. All three men proclaimed a sense of divinity and demanded allegiance through intimidation and threats towards their followers. All three led their followers to an untimely, violent death in defense of the cult and its leaders.

My primary issue with the Mormon candidate, Mitt Romney is, how can he believe the fallacious assertions made by Joseph Smith as veritable and still be considered a logical human being, let alone a candidate for president if he’s a devout follower of such cultish nonsense? In my opinion, all religions have fantastical notions but usually, have some fairly valid historical premises, based on love and inclusion essentially. The Mormon cult is another case altogether. Everything about the history of this religion has categorically been proven false by scientific evidence. Joseph Smith was a magnanimous megalomaniac with a penchant for drama.  A church without theater wouldn’t last long, Smith believed.   The ritualistic nature of Temple Endowment Ceremonies, for instance, show a unique interpretation of the Masonic rites they were modeled after.   People need the fantasy, the performance and the mystery, which Smith provided in his founding of a new church—rife with rituals, stories of travel from faraway lands and theatrical acts of mystical translations that are at the core of the church’s history.  A new “gospel” is easier to sell with the extravagant pomp, circumstance and surreptitiousness of the Mormon Church.

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Mormon Cult founder Joseph Smith

The utterly violent and devastating end to both the Branch Davidians and the Guyana Settlement at Jonestown are eerily similar to Brigham Young ordering non-LDS settlers to be slaughtered in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. A cult that will kill with the intention of protecting its interests and the secrecy of its faith should be considered suspect. Moreover, the incident remains buried in political turmoil, even to this day, and was a media sensation for more than 20 years after it happened. Most Mormons know nothing of the original 9/11 and they’d like to keep it that way.

Another technique used by cults is to discourage the acquisition of information and to keep the indoctrinated firmly rooted in the faith.   A recent ploy used by LDS hierarchy to keep its young cult members in the dark is the lowering of the age of missionary service to 18 (from 19). Years of indoctrination and brainwashing could easily be lost with a year spent at a liberal arts college, so LDS President Monson and Company aren’t taking any chances.  They are reluctant to lose any potential tithing members who will perpetually contribute 10% of their net worth to the post mortem afterlife insurance policy.  It is absolutely amazing how many people buy into this fraud, yet it is far more terrifying for our President to subscribe to this nonsense.

End Times predictions abound in cults, the Mormons being no exception. Gun ownership is certainly encouraged. The Mormon Church owns one of the most active and unregulated gun sale portals on the web, according to a national investigation released by the New York City Mayor’s office. The website in question is KSL.com, the online hub for Utah’s NBC affiliate and sister radio station, which are both owned and operated by the for-profit arm of the Mormon Church. In addition to local news, KSL.com produces a popular classifieds section that reaches millions of users well beyond Utah. Jim Jones’ murdering of Congressman Leo Ryan in 1978, the mass suicide and the fiery Branch Davidian siege in 1993 remind us of the drastic measures cult leaders and their followers will resort to if they feel threatened.

Anyone can say that all religions have cultish characteristics, and, to a degree, they’d be right.  But for a religion, in this era of technology and information, to assert such provably false claims as veracious is preposterous.  Jesus Christ was a figure who preached peace, tolerance and acceptance.  The Mormon Church, like others cults, has a history of violence, exclusion and bigotry, no matter how much they try to hide the facts.  It is certainly not a faith which should supercede the United States Constitution by the Leader of the Free World.

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25 Responses to “Dangerous Cult Similarities in the Mormon Church, Branch Davidians and Jonestown”

  1. RepublicanSwine October 10, 2012 at 8:16 pm #

    The Mormon Church, like others cults, has a history of violence, exclusion and bigotry, no matter how much they try to hide the facts.

    Yes. Exactly. Look at the estimated millions they spent on defeating Prop 8 in California. They claimed only $190,000. Plus man-power put in. Shameless. And they enjoy the usual tax exempt status. These and many other cults like much of the Gelical movement are a cancer on our society!

  2. Miguel Lomelino October 12, 2012 at 12:05 am #

    Reblogged this on miguel in belgium.

  3. dtaylor October 16, 2012 at 4:48 am #

    Not even close. This is obviously someone that’s never even spoken to church members or gone to
    church and experienced anything that church does.

    Just another one sided misinformed with an agends

    • vegasjessie October 16, 2012 at 5:33 am #

      This information actually comes from former members of the Mormon Church. I consult with former Stake Presidents, Missionaries and one ordained as High Priest in the Mormon Melchizedek priesthood. My information is not circumspect and the “agenda” is to expose an insidious fraud based on categorically false premises. Carbon testing and archaeological evidence has proven unmistakably false yet the Mormon Hierarchy keeps its members in the dark about the spurious nature of the “faith” and its violent cult leaders Joseph Smith, Porter Rockwell and Brigham Young.

    • RideTheWay October 16, 2012 at 3:40 pm #

      Hey there dtaylor, The most common comments from Mormon members initially is first; deny using a blanket statement, then the second, deny using a second blanket, then of course the third, well, you get it… :)
      1) Not even close. 2) This is obviously someone that’s never even spoken to church members… 3) Just another one sided misinformed with an agends (agenda?)
      It’s become a most obvious pattern. And finally… 4) Accuse those who don’t agree with you for doing exactly what you just did, LOL…

      There truly are people following and participating in discussions this website presents that “do” have experience, closeup in-depth experience with the Mormon religion and the subjects vegasjessie presents. I’ve watched vegasjessie sincerely endeavor to expose the facts in her articles, for good reasons… Given that, I find myself continually returning.

  4. Yanquetino October 16, 2012 at 7:24 am #

    @dtayler: “Not even close”? Well, as someone who “has spoken to church members daily, gone to church, and experienced everything the church does” for decades of my life, I can state uncatogorically that this article hits a bullseye. To continue to believe in the Mormon cult, given the scientific, historical, and even biological DNA evidence against its outlandish claims, is blind faith: http://bit.ly/OVbFgG Gold plates? Angels? Seerstone-in-a-hat? Pay lay ail? Sacred underwear? Written by Abraham on papyri? Celestial order of marriage? Chosen before thou was born? From the blood of Ephraim? How can you not be embarrassed by such gullibility? For all its slick, osmondized advertising, underneath the surface the Mormon cult is a blatant fraud, selling “afterlife insurance” for premiums of 10% of one’s income –while its members do all the work for free.

    • Charles Lee November 4, 2012 at 5:29 pm #

      Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
      for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
      27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
      28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
      Muslims pray to Mohamed five times a day.

      Luke 17:1-2 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come:
      but woe unto him, through whom they come!
      2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. (KJV)

      2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
      for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (KJV)

      There are two Roman Cathloics in this race why didn’t VJ speak of the thousand that were murdered in the dark ages why doesn’t she speak of Obama’s record of his failed presidency.
      This is why “ John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,
      and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (KJV)

      • vegasjessie November 5, 2012 at 9:09 am #

        If you’ve read my bio, I’m against all religions, but the Mormon cult is more insidious as its based on proven fallacies. Catholics have the cushion of centuries of ambiguity, so their nonsense is harder to prove unequivocally false. It’s all garbage. Period. You quoting a book of fiction as “gospel” is simply creepy to me personally.

      • RideTheWay November 5, 2012 at 3:59 pm #

        It is a sad truth indeed; Just because a perceived authority states something claiming truth, doesn’t make it so… Christianity is linked irreversibly to itself by its many sects. All Christian sects bare the burden of its roots. It is the difficulty of truth that religion fails to live by. “All scripture is ‘NOT’ given by inspiration of God”. The Bible was written by the hand of many a man. ‘The council at Nicea?’ To pretend it was not is another one of those ‘most difficult truths’ Christianity struggles with. LOL…

  5. Phil Cook October 21, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    Religion should have absolutely no place in who is picked as US president. When an actual deity demonstrates his existence in a way every single human on earth can understand, maybe then we can all believe.

    • vegasjessie October 21, 2012 at 3:42 pm #

      Precisely Phil. The unwillingness of so many Americans to include atheists as viable candidates is one of the reasons we are embroiled in so many religious conflicts. I prefer candidates who are logical, sane and devoid of delusions of fantastical super-beings myself.

  6. seireenko October 21, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Great article, although you made a mistake with David Koresh’s real name, which is actually Vernon Howell instead of Timothy Howell. Otherwise, I think it’s great that you’re informing the public about the Mormon religion/cult. Now that I think about it, I think it’s just about the same as the FLDS sect, which was run by Warren Jeffs who’s now serving his time in prison.

  7. ChristianjennyGrl October 22, 2012 at 7:34 pm #

    LOVE having this information available! Thank you-

  8. Charles Lee October 29, 2012 at 9:45 pm #

    Jim Jones had no connection to the Mormon LDS Church . He was a faith healer and leader of The Peoples Temple Full Gospel Church . The main ideas followed by The Peoples Temple were socialism, Pentecostalism, and Communism with 75% black membership. Jim Jones’s ideas were much more like Obama’s than Mitt Romney’s

    Vernon Howell (AKA) David Koresh made a false profession of faith in a Baptist at the age of 19.
    He then attended a LDS Church for lest than three months and then was thrown out for being a sexual nut .
    Vernon Howell’s ideas were closer to Bill Clinton’s than Mitt Romney’s.

    I disagree with many teaching of the LDS Church but from a Biblical prospective Mitt Romney’s Ideas are much closer to Jesus Christ Than Barack Obama’s Christians do not support anything that is gay friendly, anything Muslim friendly, or abortion .

    • vegasjessie October 30, 2012 at 6:34 am #

      Mormons are gay friendly? Do provide examples where a gay Mormon can come out and possibly marry just like a heterosexual Mormon. I eagerly await your response.

      • Charles Lee November 4, 2012 at 7:42 am #

        Mormons are Anti-Gay ,Anti Muslim and Anti- Abortion.
        Jesus Christ is Anti-Gay , Anti Muslim and Anti- Abortion.
        Obama is pro gay , pro muslim and pro Abortion.

      • Yanquetino November 4, 2012 at 7:50 am #

        @Charles Lee

        Huh. Jesus was anti-gay, anti-Muslim, anti-abortion??? You must have different Gospels than in the King James Version on my shelf.

        I would be most interested in seeing the actual quotes in which Jesus expressed such views. Please provide the chapters and verses.

      • Charles Lee November 4, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

        What was in my post that made you think I said that Mormons were gay friendly .
        Was it the line where I said Christians do not support anything that is gay friendly.

        Rom 1:26-28
        26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
        27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
        28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
        (KJV)

    • Mark Larsen (@yanquetino) October 30, 2012 at 6:53 am #

      Whaaaa…? “From a Biblical prospective Mitt Romney’s Ideas are much closer to Jesus Christ”???

      D’ya mean like… “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth”?

      And I don’t get the impression that the Mormon hierarchy is exactly “gay friendly”:

      http://www.mormonteachings.com/homosexuals-not-allowed-on-campus-ernest-wilkinson/

      http://www.mormonteachings.com/homosexuality-death-penalty-spencer-w-kimball/

      • vegasjessie October 30, 2012 at 6:59 am #

        Spencer Kimball was a real tolerant profit, wasn’t he? Spelling intentional

      • Charles Lee November 4, 2012 at 8:59 am #

        Jesus was a capitalist read the parable of the five talents in Matthew 25:14 were The Lord rewarded his servant with many thing because that servant had doubled his money.
        In John 12:1-8 it was Judas Iscariot that rebuked Mary for spending her hard earn money on her King. Judas said the money should have been given to the poor. Jesus said let her alone ( she earned it she should have control over it not the government ) For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always. ( Born on food stamps , raised on food stamps , you’ll die on food stamps. )
        In 2011 Mitt Romney gave 30% of his income to the needy he had the heart of Mary.
        Obama takes working peoples money and gives it to the non working people he has the heart of Judas Iscariot

      • vegasjessie November 4, 2012 at 9:22 am #

        Damn Charles! That’s a hateful Jesus you’ve got there!! Funny stuff. Your interpretation is incredibly warped.

      • Yanquetino November 4, 2012 at 9:24 am #

        @Charles Lee:

        “Jesus was a capitalist”???

        “In 2011 Mitt Romney gave 30% of his income to the needy”???

        D’ya mean Romney’s “charitable” donations to the Mormon cult, so that it could build shopping malls, run cattle ranches, host tourist centers, produce ad campaigns?

        You’ve got to be kidding me.

        From what I’ve seen of your posts in this thread, you strike me as BARKING MAD.

        VegasJessie: I suggest that you not continue to approve such lunatic posts. I mean, the guy even thinks Jesus was “anti-Muslim” when Mohammed wasn’t even born until four centuries later. Bonkers!

      • vegasjessie November 4, 2012 at 9:26 am #

        I’m sorry, I was laughing so hard at the Romney “giving” anything to a cause other than his cult, I just hit check. It is terribly entertaining, you must admit.

  9. RideTheWay November 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm #

    Wow Mr. Lee, Regroup man… I get lost too…

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